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Old 09-09-2011, 12:08 PM
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What if I take the injectors apart and the spacer doesnt fall out and I dont want to wait 10 years to soak it till it falls out?
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Old 09-09-2011, 06:24 PM
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Sorry you going to end up pulling them...
http://mopar.mopar1973man.com/cummin...r-cleaning.htm

For the 24V people.
http://mopar.mopar1973man.com/cummin...r-cleaning.htm

As for alternate fuel usually turns out poorly... (ATF and WEO)


Reason being why the WEO and ATF have such issues now is the amount of ASH content in the oils they are way too high and the organic metal (ash) come out on the injector tip and piston tops. This is another reason I don't suggest this idea any longer. Today's ATF has friction modifiers and anti-scorching compound that prevent burning. Then todays engine oils have quite a bit of ash.



I know what the common thinking is about smoking injectors - I have tried lots of stuff with the 93 and the 03, they both got coked up from what we believe is motor oil that is to dirty. Just for the sake of experimentation we did run our motor oil through a centrifuge, mixed it 50/50 with diesel and ran it. It ran pretty well in the 03 for a couple of weeks. The 93 did not run hot enough to get good atomization of the fuel. They both coked up - yes we have better things to do but we are curious. Tried several injector cleaners at substantial concentration ratios including: seafoam, amsoil, lucas and power service 911. They did not work. Perhaps good in themselves as we have used all of them with good results but not with injectors that are coked on the ends.

We were playing in the shop with a new product and sprayed some in a turbo charger and the suit came off almost immediatley. No bad stuff in this that eats seals and rubber - so we played with it some more and decided to put some in the 03 which at this point blew huge clouds of smoke because of injectors that were coked. Emptied the tank added some to 5 gallons of clean fuel and easily let the truck idle - it began to clear. After about 45 minutes we were confident to drive the truck. We drove it easy for about 25 minutes on the highway watching for signs of trouble but did not have any. The smoke eventually stopped completly and the power resumed to normal. Topped off tank to dilute cleaner and will continue to drive this for for at least several hundred miles, perhaps thousands before we conclude anything. But compression is good everything sounds good and fuel mileage is up!

I know lots of you think this is risky but I like the advantages of what if it does work. It may be a while before I have anything to report back but I will.
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Old 09-09-2011, 08:28 PM
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So, will you tell us what the cleaner was you used?
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Old 09-10-2011, 07:59 PM
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So, will you tell us what the cleaner was you used?
I'm curious too...
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Old 09-11-2011, 05:44 AM
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We want to know how it works first. If my truck blows up in a million pieces at least I can say I was not responsible for anyone elses problems with it.
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Old 09-11-2011, 07:19 AM
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What if I take the injectors apart and the spacer doesnt fall out and I dont want to wait 10 years to soak it till it falls out?
It takes more like 10 seconds of soak time and 1 second beating it against your hand.. They really aren't stuck they just kinda form a tight bond with the diesel underneath them so the soaking replaces the diesel under the spacer with something that won't stick.
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Now knowing the injectors are made of a harden matterial I went back through and cleaned my RV275 again and I think I got rid of my misfire problem. I also measured everything pintle, shims, etc...

Since DTS.com can't display HTML tables I got to throw a line to my post a sec here...
http://forum.mopar1973man.com/thread...injector-parts...
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Sounds like a personal problem to me...
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Sounds like a personal problem to me...
Wow....... That's gonna leave a mark......:wowee:
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Too lazy to snagit... :sarcasm:
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