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Old 01-20-2013, 03:41 PM
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thats what I was afraid of. but you still have to pull all the components off and take the cover completely off correct?
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Old 01-20-2013, 05:08 PM
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It didnt pull any codes. for some reason Im having a problem with my OBDII port and its not connecting for some reason. I checked all my fuses. none blown
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Old 01-20-2013, 05:36 PM
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What it sounds like is it is overfueling, and the idle software is different that the APPS sensor software. Did you have a tuner or box on the truck before you changed the VP44? Was it still on or had you taken it off?

You might try to reset the APPS again, since it helped a little the first time. Check that the wiring connectors are clean and nice and tight. Check and make sure that all the pins in the OBD II are nice and tight in their respective holders as well. The see if you can scan the truck again.

After this, you may still have to pull the timing cover off and make sure that you did NOT put the timing key in backwards. This will throw the timing off as well. You might be able to see the timing pin on the VP 44 with a flashlight and a mirror, looking through the 'puke bottle' hole.
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Old 01-20-2013, 05:43 PM
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I didnt and dont have any sort of programmer. To be honest I didnt notice any difference resetting the APPS but I think I might try it again to make sure I did it right. I would definately agree that its over fueling. What timing pin are you reffering to? If your talking about the keyway, I didnt mess with it at all. The way it came on the truck is the way it went in. I used a mirror and light and you CAN see it.
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Old 01-20-2013, 07:35 PM
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Remember that each keyway is specific to each Injection Pump (IP) and gear, I think. Do you remember if you might have turned the gear/keyway around during the re-install? This might be why you are having problems. The VP44 can tolerate/compensate if the timing is slightly off, possibly enough to make your truck overfuel/attempt to compensate..
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Old 01-20-2013, 08:36 PM
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Literally all i did was take it out of the box, put the fittings on and install....i never touched the key way
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Old 01-20-2013, 10:25 PM
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I guess my question is HOW can timing be off? and how do I fix it??
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Old 01-21-2013, 08:51 AM
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So how do i check the timing. I dont see how we could possibly messed it up but obviously its off.
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:41 AM
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When you put the pump on, did you allow the pump to turn with the timing gear helix, and was the engine at TDC?

Also, are you able to move the pump slightly with the mounting bolts loose?
If so, you might be able to take up the timing problem slightly.
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Old 01-21-2013, 01:00 PM
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We had the front of the motor off because my buddy dropped a washer inside the timing cover so we had to take everything off to get to it.After the pump was on we DID spin the pump to see if it made the same noise as the old one. I think the timing is off and the apps might be bad because it cuts out bad going down the road and there was no change after calibrating it unless i didn't do it right but i did exactly what you said. Do i have to take the front end apart again to time it? And how do i do it. I'm still pretty green when it comes to diesels
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