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Old 12-04-2013, 09:36 PM
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Old 12-05-2013, 07:31 AM
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ECOBOOST

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10.3 seconds on the new ram....thats pathetic. I don't care if its not built for speed or power, but rather for mileage, thats still terrible. My truck had about the same power stock and it was just as doggy, albeit probably still faster than that. If anyone test drives it before buying it, they will move on to the ecoboost. Why buy a complete dog that will leave you in question as to whether you can get on the interstate or not if you have a trailer in tow. Especially a damn 9,200lb trailer that they claim it is rated for.

Wrong engine, wrong everything. Shoulda put a 4 liter inline 6 that makes at least 500TQ in it. They have no edge with that engine. Even the 25mpg figure on paper is nothing to write home about when current 3/4 ton diesels can pull of a real world 20 with the right tuning.
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Old 12-05-2013, 04:04 PM
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I wouldn't say it is the wrong everything. You need to understand that most people who buy trucks only buy a half ton truck. They will compare the mileage STOCK to another truck STOCK. You are right ISX, the 3/4 ton trucks can get 20 mpg WITH PROPER TUNING. They do not come properly tuned out of the box which is what MOST buyers will keep the trucks at. How many are going to throw the warranty out the window to make their truck run like it is capable? And at what cost? Keep in mind that the Cummins 5.9 started out to be a real dog and look where it ended up. This is just the beginning of the diesel acceptance in the US. Not everyone has the understanding of what a diesel engine actually is.
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:00 AM
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Well stock I just don't see the edge. It has the same power as all the gassers and with diesel almost a dollar over gas, I don't see it standing out. Plus its probably the usual $5000+ option. The gasser options are actually already posting 22ish mpg figures, so what is 25mpg to that 22 (both are window sticker values)? Calculate fuel cost differences.... It's a complete flop. I don't think it's gonna sell. I could be wrong but the power, the cost, the benefits, I see no edge. Time will tell, but I see at least 40 ecoboosts at the dealership here and they sell like crazy. It has the power, the mpg (sticker figure), the cheap fuel...
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Unfortunately people don't look at much more than the mileage figures. You also need to take into consideration the marketing. Ford has a much better marketing team than the other three. Remember how bad the 6.0 and the 6.4 was? Their mileage was the same as the gassers and yet people bought them. People flocked to their dealerships because of the name. Ram is starting to get some brand name recognition again so that helps. Even the 3/4 ton trucks don't have much difference in mileage between diesel or gas.
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Old 12-06-2013, 06:42 PM
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If they put that engine in a dakota, and I had money, I would buy it. I think a dakota would be obvious enough that people wouldn't try anything stupid with them like hooking them up to their 40ft 5th wheels, though thats exactly what the ecoboost guys are doing. I think the combo would be perfect. Nice power, not expected to tow, 30mpg easily.
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Most people buy the 1/2 ton truck never planning on towing much. That would be like buying an Avalanche and calling it a truck. To me they look more like an suv with a birth defect, yet there seem to be quite a few on the road therefore the market is there. Since I do not care for them my opinion doesn't mean squat to GM. Time will tell how the 1/2 ton Ram fairs. I would like to take one for a ride, though.
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How little do you know.

Over on the RV site I moderate on the RV forum is buzz of everyone buying Ford Ecoboost trucks and attempting to tow 26-31 foot RV's. But what funny about it the Ford Ecoboost still drops down to mere 8-9 MPG towing. Where even the Ford Powerstroke can do better still.
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Thats a little biased. I mean if you go to an RV forum of course you're only seeing the guys towing.. You aren't seeing the 80% not towing. But I think most people see towing mileage as just something thats gonna happen. They think 8mpg is fine because it has a trailer behind it. Little do they know our older cummins pull the same trailer and get twice that. But they see the price of diesel and try and use that against us as well.

However, I am gonna go out on a limb and say it's a wash. I mean these guys are getting new trucks and I am betting they get new ones every 100k. So you start off saving 5000 with the gas option. Unloaded (and Mike I know you're driving the gasser for this reason), they probably save money because of gas prices vs diesel. That means the 5% of time they tow getting terrible mileage just means they start to pay into the 5000 price difference. In the end, I kinda doubt there is that much difference if you are just a leisure camper. If you are up in the 15%+ towing range then I can see the ecoboost losing you money over the course of 100k miles.

There is also maintenance costs... One injector fails on the diesel...there goes your edge. Not like a gasser really costs that much, though the ecoboost might be getting up there with twin turbos and some other fanciness.
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I love to stir the pot with you.

But that the thing now if you buy the proper vehicle for the proper job you actually get better economy all the way around. Like say in you case buy a Ecoboost Ford for the daily driver get awesome power and economy for daily driver but turn around and buy a diesel for the RV or heavy towing and be money ahead. But like you stated most people see the diesel prices and freak out and grab the gasser thinking they are better off.

Surprising what I can stir up on the RV site when I post the price differences and MPG differences and how a diesel is better for towing in most all cases. But daily driver yeah there is a lot of times like know where my gasser truck is better option even on paper (Libre Calc).
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